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Naraiwë
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| Tiana Calthye wrote: | But obviously you believe you have a freedom to not have to believe anything! Zomg!
Actually, I'd be very impressed if I ever met an actual aethiest who didn't actually believe in anything. There is no spoon? Nope! But there isn't not a spoon either because if I believe there is no spoon that's a paradox! EXPLODE.
So you have to believe in some things, just not religious things.  |
In this case there is a huge difference between believing and having beliefs. I believe in many things like that this keyboard I'm typing on exists and that 'm going to be tired tomorrow because as usual I won't go to sleep on time. I honestly and truly do not have beliefs. If I think about it I come to the conclusion, and this is as far as you'll ever get me to confess to anything on this subject, that most likely there was a big bang because all of the evidence (mathematical formulas and proofs that is evidence though I doubt some people would ever admit it) there is of this. Before and outside that I have no idea and I don't really care for guessing what happened. I am also open to the suggestion that something might have had a finger in the whole event but I don't believe in any of this.
I've been taught this in astronomy and biology classes. I didn't chose to believe in it and as such I don't want to be classified into a group that holds some kind of beliefs. If I do think about stuff like that I get bored very fast and focus on something more interesting. Like the nice trees next to the bus stop. Or the wind and the warm weather.
I just thought of this: Maybe I do have a paradoxial belief, since I don't want to be classified as a believer. Please do not say I believe in things. That would be your way of telling me my religion sucks or is wrong. Do you understand?
| Quote: | | I personally don't like getting into religious discussions most of the time... I allowed them on the old site, and kept a tight rein on them after stuff happened. I respect freedom to religion. But there were people who thought that freedom to religion meant freedom to force everyone else to believe in that religion. Have you ever read any of the religious debate threads on Jedi.net, for example? There's some diehards on both ends who go and tear everyone apart for no good reason other than they've decided that "Everyone has a freedom to my beliefs". In this case, I already respect you because you're not jumping on us and calling us stupid uninformed idiots because we don't believe the world happened in an explosion (with snails!). |
Why thanks. Yeah, I have read those. I don't get involved. Nothing will ever change anyway.
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Tiana Calthye
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Dude. I was joking. I'm trying to keep this from turning into a let's flame each other fest. I told you I didn't care whether you believed things differently than me. Didn't you see the
If you chose to believe... sorry... accept that because I think you do believe in something when as an aethiest you're believing in nothing is my way of saying your lack of religion is wrong, well... you're misinterpeting me. And, uh, hindering my freedom of speech by telling me to shut up?
Please take my entire post in context. I'm not going to bother being politically correct and find other words to use besides believe. I'm not using it for just religious purposes. I believe in gravity, and that's definately not religious.
As it is, I don't plan on staying in this debate... I don't like posting on such touchy ground... I'm sorry if you misunderstood me and took what I said as meaning I thought you were wrong. I don't. I just think you accept a different... well... belief than me. Here's hoping you accept the appology for what it is. 
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Naraiwë
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I didn't take it as such, I just tried to explain what I meant since I think you didn't quite understand me. Don't worry about it. End of discussion, I'll leave with you. ;)
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Bonnie
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Location: A long time ago in a galaxy far far away.....
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Set 1
1. Who is God? GOD IS! God is the beginning and the end, the first and the last, who was, who Is, and who is to come! God is the father and the son and the holy spirit. God is the King of kings and the Lord of lords, the Alfa and Omega! GOD IS!
2. How did the world begin?
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
We may never know the truth but when I looked at the 2nd verse I saw that it said "the Earth was" which makes me wonder if God had already created Earth long before and all the other planets and solar systems before he breathed life into the sun and the stars bringing them into light and glory. I believe creating something that was void of form and life was not the same as the creation of life, and form, and time. Time plays a big role God knew us all before time God knew what we would knead, and just think, If God didn't rest on the 7th day would we be given a reason to rest, God gave is a chance to rest where we needed it.
3. What is your purpose here on earth? You have no Idea how many times I asked myself that question, when I was walking in the world it plagued me for years. What is the point? Why are any of us hear? What am I hear for? I would ponder and get depressed not finding any thing worth living for, But when I came to God I realized I am hear for a purpose, I am hear for what God kneads done, For such a time as this. Every thing we do influences others, our smile helps others to feal better, our frown helps to hinder the work of God, what we say, what we do, where we go, it all effects us and others around us. My purpose is to show the world God threw my daily comings and goings.
4. What will happen to you after you die? I am going to heaven for a time and then I will come back to the new Eden when the world has been purged and wiped clean.
Set 2
1. What is sin? To Quote Albert Einstein "sin is the absence of God" just as Darkness is the absence of light. Lucifer may have been the first to sin when he placed himself above God, but sin has always been it is all that God is not (That is why we cannot go to God with sin in our lives!)
2. Are all people sinners? Yes Whether we where born into it or not we all have sinned, from the first time we said no to our mother and knew that we where wrong for saying it.
3. Do people become sinners because they sin or do they sin because they are sinners? I believe (And I won't know until I go to heaven) that as soon as we are old enough to know what right from wrong is we are sinners because we have the capacity I can't truly explain the way I feal, I know what is right and what is wrong and I know their is no way to God with sin on our lives. "No greater love is this than that a man would lay down his life for a friend" the one who was pure the one with no sin on his hands who was born of the spirit into flesh and Died for those that he loved cast out all the sins of those who would seck him and ask of him forgiveness.
4. What is God's penalty for sin, if any? If you do not ask Jesus for forgiveness the penalty is death, Hell is a real place filled with fire darkness pestilence and unending agony and the worst no hope, without hope their is no life.
5. Are there penalties that occur on earth for sins in a person's life?
Yes, depending it is simple to say that every action has a reaction this is true for both good and bad deeds. |
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MagicOPromotion
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 1:28 pm Post subject: What do you believe |
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first things first . . .
I am incredibly drunk right now. you should thank god for spell check at this point, just trust me on this.
Say what you will, it goes a good way to explaining my current state of mind.
Its the West Coast memorial for my paternal grandfather. I did not know him well enough.
He had a hand in everything from the first nuclear power plants in the States to the first hydroelectric plants in India. Yes, I know, but their were allies back then, well before they had the bomb.
I did not know him well enough and drunk as I may be, I am sober enough that I wish I new him better.
Enough of my rambling, who do you miss and why?
Good night.
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Warious
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Ooh my turn.
Set 1
1. Who is God? He/She which is unfathomable but still loves us. Completely genderless despite our labeling.
2. How did the world begin? When God made it....however long ago that was. We don't actually know. Carbon dating lies.
3. What is your purpose here on earth? How the heck am I supposed to know that. I exisist and meander through life making mistakes and choices and will continue this way till either I expire or someone snuffs me.
4. What will happen to you after you die? Hopefully my questions will be answered at that time....
Set 2
1. What is sin? That which is an action or thought that goes against God and what he wants for us to be to each other.
2. Are all people sinners? Does everyone know how to lie? (I.e. yes)
3. Do people become sinners because they sin or do they sin because they are sinners? People are born knowing how to commit wrong and will do it so people sin because they are born this way. Genetic predispositioning as it were.
4. What is God's penalty for sin, if any? Ultimately it is eternal seperation from him at the end of all the things we know. Immediate death is possible outcome for any action whether it is sin or not.
5. Are there penalties that occur on earth for sins in a person's life? Legal ones depending on the sin. Murder or instance = jail/chair/fireing squad. It is different for each country and state. But most of the "larger" sins are already punished by law. There are somethings one cannot be physically punished for, like coventing. Unless you act upon your covetousness (whcih brings one to stealing sometimes which is legaly punished) there isn't an actual physical reprocussion. It is however menatlly unhealhy to covet because you could be obsessive and when you obsess about somethings it can cause mentalities which runin your relationships.
Basically this is a philosophical type of question whihc people have been trying to answer for a few centuries now.
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