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Warious
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:18 am    Post subject: Batman vrs Batman Reply with quote

Basically what you think of the new Batman movies and what you like /don't like.

I'll let someone else start this ball rolling.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved the new Batman movies, but in my defense, they were really my introduction TO Batman--outside of that, I had read a handful of comics and never--and still haven't--watched any other variations of the Batman movies and TV serieses. I found them appropriately gritty for what I knew of the character from the comics, and a fair reflection of the anti-heroish character.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked them because they felt like the Batman comics of the current time. I also liked the eighties ones because they also felt like the Batman of their respective time. I've read quite a few comics and seen all the live action movies from Tim Burton forward, and even seen parts of the latest TV show.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last film I saw was Batman Returns I think - haven't even seen the Heath Ledger show, so I can't comment on the 'new' movies, but so far, I haven't seen an actor who convinced me he was Bruce Wayne and the Batman. I've seen some superb takes on the villains, but I remain unconvinced on the lead.

Is it just me and if not, any suggestions for a right proper Batman? Pity this fellow wasn't the right age at the time:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Ironscarf with respect to the Batman/Bruce Wayne thing. And I know Foral has heard me say it multiple times: Michael Keaton looked too old to play Bruce, and he was more the eccentric billionare than the playboy socialite. Even if his Batman was very good. Val Kilmer played a stellar Bruce Wayne, but his Batman fell a little flat - or, rather, came across as too lively. I'm sorry, but batman is not supposed to smile. George Clooney... was just too freakin old to be playing either, even at the time. BRUCE WAYNE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE GRAY HAIR!

I feel Christian Bale did an excellent job at reconciling the two. He was distinctly Bruce Wayne, and yet so seperately Batman. He played up the conflict about being both, and yet at the same time he WAS both.

My general opinion? I like them all. I think Batman Begins is my overall favorite. Though, oddly, I think out of the newer ones I'd have to say Dark Knight. Batman Forever takes the cake for the older ones, hands down. I'm sorry, but the only person who could possibly play a better Riddler than Jim Carrey would be... Well, Johnny Depp.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well its a good thing you think this way ironscarf because my main issues with the new movies is the villians. (although I will also argue abotu the batman protrayals and story line)
The only ideal Batman to me is found in the animated series.
Alos, I have no idea who that man is either. -_-' We must run in different circles....either that my dad has failed me in the old actor studies.

Being as I am a Joker fan(atic) I was immediately disgusted by the idea that one of my least favorite actors got the part of Joker in the new movie. (the only way it could have been worse is if stupid Keanu Reeves played Joker. different rant topic not relevant to this)

I DID see the "Dark Knight" movie. I sat there verrrrrrry paitintly all the way through and at the end came to a few conclusions.

1) That was not Joker. At all. In name only was that the Joker. And the name is NOT what makes Joker.
2) The REAL Joker killed Heath Ledger for the mutilation of his character.
3) Joker should have killed the writers instead of the actor who built his characterization from looking at a script.
4) Christian Bale sucks as an actor for Batman. Not even good at either identity. (and being good at one identity over another is at least a redeeming quality for movie batmen. George Clooney also in the suck category for just being a pretty face and not inhabiting any part of his character)

Bouncing it into your coner now before I start composing disturbing odes to Mr. J.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I refuse to debate about Batman movies (any of them) at all, because that is the only comic franchise that I adore to little pieces, and anything related to it at least in some sense makes me happy. do I love Heath Ledger's betrayal of the Joker? yes. do I love Jack Nickelson's Joker? yes. do I love the comic Joker? yes.

the only thing I did not like about the Batman franchise ever, like totally unhappily did not like, was the Tim Burton actor for Bruce Wayne. whose name is frustratingly escaping me at the moment. Michael Keaton. HAHYES. remembered without having to wiki it.

it's the little things that make dun happy.

happy about every little thing?
no. that is unrealistic.

but I refuse to argue about them. so I'm not hiding from this thread, just protecting my happy little unreality. 'kay.

also, I personally find debates concerning media to be idiotic and pointless. we read things differently, see things differently, come from different backgrounds, so arguing things irreconcilably is pointless and causes riffs in relationships etc. etc. over FILM.

anyway.

I would defend my dear Heath Ledger, but I won't 'cause that could be dramatic. and I'm s'posed to be the grey one, here. heh. //slips out

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duncariel sniped:
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idiotic and pointless

Indeed, why risk causing offence with your Batman related musings when you can cut straight to the chase! :O

No seriously, I respect your lack of opinion - I mean your reluctance to enter into a contentious discussion stroke argument, but there are definitely those of us who like to express our enjoyment of a movie/book/burger etc by picking it to pieces with differing viewpoints whilst retaining our good humoured hale and hearty fellowwellmetshipness.
That doesn't always happen on the internet of course. Wink

I wish I'd seen this Heath Ledger movie but from what I've heard it's all very postmodern? You know that postmodern is so last season of course - the picture is of a young Burt Lancaster (not as easy to recognise as later Burt) who could have been convincing as both playboy socialite and bat type vigilante (he used to be an acrobat I think) without a hint of postmodernism.

I'm not sure even Johnny Depp could riddle better than Jim Carey.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did say possibly. And only because no one else could come even close. Despite the fact that Jim Carrey's Riddler was a huge step away from the comics, it's still classic.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warious, I'm not trying to spark an argument, but what you said about Heath Ledger only taking characterization from a script is completely off base and misinformed. He was given several of the greatest Joker comics ever written: Killing Joke, Long Holloween, etc. The scary thing is, I've read those and it I could almost hear Heath Ledger's Joker saying the words in my head. I would be interested in what you think makes the Joker though, as that could play a huge role in the opinions presented. For me it's his sick, twisted, demented humor that just can't come from anyone but the Joker, and my opinion is that Heath Ledger did a good job of bringing that out.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ironscarf wrote:
Duncariel sniped:
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idiotic and pointless

Indeed, why risk causing offence with your Batman related musings when you can cut straight to the chase! :O

No seriously, I respect your lack of opinion - I mean your reluctance to enter into a contentious discussion stroke argument, but there are definitely those of us who like to express our enjoyment of a movie/book/burger etc by picking it to pieces with differing viewpoints whilst retaining our good humoured hale and hearty fellowwellmetshipness.
That doesn't always happen on the internet of course. Wink

I wish I'd seen this Heath Ledger movie but from what I've heard it's all very postmodern? You know that postmodern is so last season of course - the picture is of a young Burt Lancaster (not as easy to recognise as later Burt) who could have been convincing as both playboy socialite and bat type vigilante (he used to be an acrobat I think) without a hint of postmodernism.

I'm not sure even Johnny Depp could riddle better than Jim Carey.


she might snipe more but she's fallingovertired and still has to write ten pages of tripe about poetry. WAHOO.

idk. I just find internet debates, even goodspiritedwellmeant ones, tend to turn meanspirited quickly. because the internet is the internet. and likes to smack wellmeaning people in the face.

I've given up on spaces.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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idk. I just find internet debates, even goodspiritedwellmeant ones, tend to turn meanspirited quickly. because the internet is the internet. and likes to smack wellmeaning people in the face.

It is true and cannot be denied, but their virtual smacksindaface cannot hurt us because brothers and sisters, when they insist we're just not good enough
When we know better
Just look 'em in the eyes and say
We're gonna do it anyway x 4

Because there's something inside so strong
And I know that we can make it
Tho' they're doing us wrong, so wrong
Oh no, something inside so strong
Oh oh oh oh oh something inside so strong

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I've given up on spaces.

But, what are you going to stand in?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ironscarf wrote:
But, what are you going to stand in?


I find potted plants particularly useful.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah. Potted Plants. Right up there with singing and talking to God.
(PLEASE tell me someone knows what I'm referencing)

I gave up on commas in my english paper due to my lilfe long comma rage. I think it drives the english professors nuts. I got my paper back and it was covered in commma marks.

And yes Dun I do understand where you are coming from. But I WAS asked and thats why this whole thing got started. (mainly cause I was trying to get out of actually saying anything)
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